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bleachnessLooky, I made you a birthday card!
Warnings: not work safe, nudity, what looks like it may be heterosexual intercourse, cuteness, bad design
Erg, can't post this on DA and can't get this big enough here. Sometime this century I'll update my website and have it there.
Ya know. I love my fandom so much sometimes---like on silly days like today when IshiHimes are being posted here for Uryuu's birthday.
Places like Fandom Wank andfandom_secrets can just kiss their own hypocritcal "you take fandom too seriously" asses because this is my fandom and I'll squee if I want to.
I've had a great deal of glee and erm... meaningful discourse... with fans this past week, especially in the wake of a "What do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titantic?" Kubo 298 cover spread. Just for posterity's sake and because I'm a ho, here's a much edited excerpt of what I posted in a friend's private LJ about the wankage. And it was wankery (how many collective nouns are there for this concept?) for the most part, not debate on race and privilege, critical theory, or the place of fandom in culture. All Who Are Merciful, Forgive Me My Fannishness and Judge Me Not.
Oh honey,honey. I need to write the story of this drama because I've been taking good notes and maybe I'll submit an article to THE NEW CRITERIA or PSYCHOS R US.
The masses of shippers and Bleach fans are, I believe, for the most part, innocent of any moral wrong. A few are guilty of stupidity and a few of hypocrisy (SELF INCLUDED OCCASIONALLY). The person who declared Ichigo and Orihime canon at 11 PST Oct. 30 because she fell victim to a joke crop-scan from Japan and then, not having the good grace to be embarrassed, immediately launched a spiteful campaign against IchiRuki fans that claimed that THEY, not her, were the ones screaming "canon" and being crazed shippers---well, I blame her for every bit of this particular mess. I've watched **** *******'s infantile stunts for a while now. I'd forgive her if she had a sense of humor--truly, some things my friends have done have made me wince but there's often seemed to be a working intelligence and self-deprecating humor behind plenty shipper sigs and stunts, etc. Some of the IchiOri, IchiIshi, KenYachiru peeps in Bleach bring me much joy with their snark. Now....**** ******* may be a fine gal who is kind to her brother and who feeds stray cats but her nyah, nyah, you're wrong, pot-calling-kettle presence in the IchiOri fandom is just wearying. It'd be harmless except for the fact that it's pure mean-spiritedness without recompense and it sets off waves that make other people go at each other and be rude to random mailmen and cashiers just to displace their frustrations over her latest post....
I love the spread, I love the TALMUDIC attention people have given the details. I enjoy being a ficcer and being an IchiRuki fan who can hang with yaoi fangurls and hardcore hets and dreamy-eyed shippers and scholarly Pacific Coast manga nuts all of whom like me for ME and who aren't obsessed with degrading other FANS 24/7. We just wanna have fun with imaginary characters who DON'T HAVE FEELINGS. Fandom, as you've always said, my dear, should be fun.
Some people get their kicks in sick ways.
Damn, the things I've heard. The reasons why I was called "a cunt" or this person was called "a bitter old woman" or that person was "a bitch" or that one was "batshit insane" are probably all very human and understandable--sticks and stones break bones not ship war insults--but the nastiness lingers. The wars become less about whether or not Kubo Tite gave a nod to Honey and Clover in his latest color spread with Ichigo's striped shirt and more about whether so-and-so needs to get a life, get laid, or get the fuck out of my fandom.
**** *******, you get on my nerves. Other shippers--IchiRukis, IchiIshis, IshiNemus, KenYachirus--you're all insane and over-sensitive. Look, here's my bloody wrist and my head covered in ashes. My biggest fandom sin has probably been naivete and trying to be a nice mommy person. Everyone, forgive one another. Now, don't expect me to take you seriously if you say "oh, Ichigo calls Orihime INOUE as a secret sign of love and respect," but go ahead, have fun. I'm going to be over here in my happier part of the fandom drawing hentai or giggling with people over how Szayel is the prettiest guy in Bleach.
Be nice to cashiers too--btw. You have no hard evidence that they've done anything to hurt your favorite characters. Your leisure activities have not been desecrated by dummies in your fandom.
Ugh, I've been up all night with a vomiting kid. Real vomit is wiped up easier than internet crap. The whole "YOU ICHIRUKI PEOPLE ARE INSANE" shit pisses me off too sometimes, but hell, look who's saying it.
I mean, look. Not Ichigo. Not Rukia. Not even Kubo Tite. We have a rolling wonderful lush and wonderful fandom here--just hold your nose when you walk past the port-a-potties (andfandom_secrets ) and enjoy the rest of the carnival.
Happy birthday, Uryuu! <3
Warnings: not work safe, nudity, what looks like it may be heterosexual intercourse, cuteness, bad design
Erg, can't post this on DA and can't get this big enough here. Sometime this century I'll update my website and have it there.
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Ya know. I love my fandom so much sometimes---like on silly days like today when IshiHimes are being posted here for Uryuu's birthday.
Places like Fandom Wank and
fandom_secrets can just kiss their own hypocritcal "you take fandom too seriously" asses because this is my fandom and I'll squee if I want to. I've had a great deal of glee and erm... meaningful discourse... with fans this past week, especially in the wake of a "What do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titantic?" Kubo 298 cover spread. Just for posterity's sake and because I'm a ho, here's a much edited excerpt of what I posted in a friend's private LJ about the wankage. And it was wankery (how many collective nouns are there for this concept?) for the most part, not debate on race and privilege, critical theory, or the place of fandom in culture. All Who Are Merciful, Forgive Me My Fannishness and Judge Me Not.
Oh honey,honey. I need to write the story of this drama because I've been taking good notes and maybe I'll submit an article to THE NEW CRITERIA or PSYCHOS R US.
The masses of shippers and Bleach fans are, I believe, for the most part, innocent of any moral wrong. A few are guilty of stupidity and a few of hypocrisy (SELF INCLUDED OCCASIONALLY). The person who declared Ichigo and Orihime canon at 11 PST Oct. 30 because she fell victim to a joke crop-scan from Japan and then, not having the good grace to be embarrassed, immediately launched a spiteful campaign against IchiRuki fans that claimed that THEY, not her, were the ones screaming "canon" and being crazed shippers---well, I blame her for every bit of this particular mess. I've watched **** *******'s infantile stunts for a while now. I'd forgive her if she had a sense of humor--truly, some things my friends have done have made me wince but there's often seemed to be a working intelligence and self-deprecating humor behind plenty shipper sigs and stunts, etc. Some of the IchiOri, IchiIshi, KenYachiru peeps in Bleach bring me much joy with their snark. Now....**** ******* may be a fine gal who is kind to her brother and who feeds stray cats but her nyah, nyah, you're wrong, pot-calling-kettle presence in the IchiOri fandom is just wearying. It'd be harmless except for the fact that it's pure mean-spiritedness without recompense and it sets off waves that make other people go at each other and be rude to random mailmen and cashiers just to displace their frustrations over her latest post....
I love the spread, I love the TALMUDIC attention people have given the details. I enjoy being a ficcer and being an IchiRuki fan who can hang with yaoi fangurls and hardcore hets and dreamy-eyed shippers and scholarly Pacific Coast manga nuts all of whom like me for ME and who aren't obsessed with degrading other FANS 24/7. We just wanna have fun with imaginary characters who DON'T HAVE FEELINGS. Fandom, as you've always said, my dear, should be fun.
Some people get their kicks in sick ways.
Damn, the things I've heard. The reasons why I was called "a cunt" or this person was called "a bitter old woman" or that person was "a bitch" or that one was "batshit insane" are probably all very human and understandable--sticks and stones break bones not ship war insults--but the nastiness lingers. The wars become less about whether or not Kubo Tite gave a nod to Honey and Clover in his latest color spread with Ichigo's striped shirt and more about whether so-and-so needs to get a life, get laid, or get the fuck out of my fandom.
**** *******, you get on my nerves. Other shippers--IchiRukis, IchiIshis, IshiNemus, KenYachirus--you're all insane and over-sensitive. Look, here's my bloody wrist and my head covered in ashes. My biggest fandom sin has probably been naivete and trying to be a nice mommy person. Everyone, forgive one another. Now, don't expect me to take you seriously if you say "oh, Ichigo calls Orihime INOUE as a secret sign of love and respect," but go ahead, have fun. I'm going to be over here in my happier part of the fandom drawing hentai or giggling with people over how Szayel is the prettiest guy in Bleach.
Be nice to cashiers too--btw. You have no hard evidence that they've done anything to hurt your favorite characters. Your leisure activities have not been desecrated by dummies in your fandom.
Ugh, I've been up all night with a vomiting kid. Real vomit is wiped up easier than internet crap. The whole "YOU ICHIRUKI PEOPLE ARE INSANE" shit pisses me off too sometimes, but hell, look who's saying it.
I mean, look. Not Ichigo. Not Rukia. Not even Kubo Tite. We have a rolling wonderful lush and wonderful fandom here--just hold your nose when you walk past the port-a-potties (and
fandom_secrets ) and enjoy the rest of the carnival.Happy birthday, Uryuu! <3
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Date: 2007-11-06 07:32 pm (UTC)Um. Yeah, see, I think the problem is the whole seeing it as camps thing. Everybody's hiding out in their little separate shipping silo. I'm an IchiHime shipper, I can't stand IchiRuki. I get along fine with Debbie, and with a bunch of other IchiRuki shippers/anti-IchiHimes. There you go, peace right there.
Individuals will never all get along with one another. I'm not going to get along with a shrieking, rabid IchiRuki shipper who calls me names for liking IchiHime or not liking IchiRuki. (Of course, I wouldn't get along with an IchiHime shipper of the same calibre.) To expect there to be mass peace between every IchiRuki shipper and every IchiHime shipper is ridiculous.
I think what I'm trying to say here is -- I hate the "camps" mentality. I loathe it. I'm not part of the "IchiHime camp", sitting around a fire muttering death threats at every IchiRuki shipper I come across. "Camps" reinforces the idea, also, of the two ships being mutually exclusive. There are plenty of people who ship both IchiRuki and IchiHime -- they must, surely, be utterly torn apart by this, right?
No. I don't think so. I dunno, it shouldn't work like that. I'm an individual who is also an IchiHime shipper (and an IshiHime shipper, RukiHime -- okay, I'm a total shipwhore, but let's focus on my IchiHime-shipping-ness for now). IchiRuki shippers are not one gigantic homogenous camp, nor are IchiHime shippers.
It shouldn't be a war; it should just be a bunch of different people all disagreeing with one another and also finding points of concurrence.
... haha. Sorry about that, I just realized I sort of really rambled at you XD But, yeah. Your comment just sparked something I've been thinking about for a while now.
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:01 pm (UTC)Please don't misunderstand, I am not referring to every single IchiRuki and IchiHime fan out there, because obviously fandom is a very large place with many different people. I apologize if it sounded like I was, but my comment was actually only aimed at a certain group of IchiHime fans on the forums (Bleach Asylum) who have a very strong presence there.
What you said here: "I'm not part of the "IchiHime camp", sitting around a fire muttering death threats at every IchiRuki shipper I come across." is actually what happens in the IchiHime "camp" that I am referring to. And while I wouldn't say that the IchiRuki "camp" has done no wrong, it's just... Well, you really have to see it for yourself to understand -- maybe Debbie can explain better because she knows exactly what I'm talking about. And what's frustrating me is that our "camp" (which is really just a small circle of friends -- I don't know why they need to drag every other IchiRuki fan into this) has stepped up before to try and sort things out and just put a stop to the hostility... only to be ignored, or accused of having "ulterior motives".
So yeah, sorry about the misunderstanding. I am talking about at most 20 people, both "camps" included. A tiny, tiny corner of the fandom. But it also happens to be our corner and home, which is filled with snark and wank and drama daily, so I hope you can understand why Debbie and I are exasperated... And then that new fandomsecrets appeared. =_= We have reason to believe that the IchiHime "camp" put that in motion, since it was linked in their fanclub immediately after it was posted. Just... yeah. Completely unnecessary.
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:12 pm (UTC)And then that new fandomsecrets appeared. =_= We have reason to believe that the IchiHime "camp" put that in motion, since it was linked in their fanclub immediately after it was posted. Just... yeah. Completely unnecessary.
That's... a pretty big assumption, I'd just like to say. It being linked immediately after being posted really means nothing -- I've got
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-06 08:21 pm (UTC)I really need a "get off my side, you're making my side look stupid" icon. Alas, only 6 userpic spaces! ::woe::
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Date: 2007-11-07 12:10 am (UTC)LOL. Sometimes I say stupid things in the middle of these conversations like "Some of my best friends are IchiOris!" or "Some of my best friends are IchiIshis!"
*rolls over and dies*
I honestly believe, to this moment, in my foolish heart, that people can get along, that there can be peace in the Middle East and among Bleach shippers. I'm really REALLY Orihime, you see.
*goes to eat some yogurt and pringles*
It's funny--a friend of mine who ships IchiRuki also SECRETLY ships IchiOri and said "well, I was going to come out until this happened." It's funny that people WILL associate themselves with a "camp" and be embarrassed to be a member of one. I used to have a sig at Bleach Forums "Yes, I'm one of THEM" at the height of IchiRukiAreInsane mania, when I didn't even really know any IchiRukis. Probably got me hated upon prematurely, now that I think about it! XD