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Warnings: not work safe, nudity, what looks like it may be heterosexual intercourse, cuteness, bad design
Erg, can't post this on DA and can't get this big enough here. Sometime this century I'll update my website and have it there.
Ya know. I love my fandom so much sometimes---like on silly days like today when IshiHimes are being posted here for Uryuu's birthday.
Places like Fandom Wank andfandom_secrets can just kiss their own hypocritcal "you take fandom too seriously" asses because this is my fandom and I'll squee if I want to.
I've had a great deal of glee and erm... meaningful discourse... with fans this past week, especially in the wake of a "What do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titantic?" Kubo 298 cover spread. Just for posterity's sake and because I'm a ho, here's a much edited excerpt of what I posted in a friend's private LJ about the wankage. And it was wankery (how many collective nouns are there for this concept?) for the most part, not debate on race and privilege, critical theory, or the place of fandom in culture. All Who Are Merciful, Forgive Me My Fannishness and Judge Me Not.
Oh honey,honey. I need to write the story of this drama because I've been taking good notes and maybe I'll submit an article to THE NEW CRITERIA or PSYCHOS R US.
The masses of shippers and Bleach fans are, I believe, for the most part, innocent of any moral wrong. A few are guilty of stupidity and a few of hypocrisy (SELF INCLUDED OCCASIONALLY). The person who declared Ichigo and Orihime canon at 11 PST Oct. 30 because she fell victim to a joke crop-scan from Japan and then, not having the good grace to be embarrassed, immediately launched a spiteful campaign against IchiRuki fans that claimed that THEY, not her, were the ones screaming "canon" and being crazed shippers---well, I blame her for every bit of this particular mess. I've watched **** *******'s infantile stunts for a while now. I'd forgive her if she had a sense of humor--truly, some things my friends have done have made me wince but there's often seemed to be a working intelligence and self-deprecating humor behind plenty shipper sigs and stunts, etc. Some of the IchiOri, IchiIshi, KenYachiru peeps in Bleach bring me much joy with their snark. Now....**** ******* may be a fine gal who is kind to her brother and who feeds stray cats but her nyah, nyah, you're wrong, pot-calling-kettle presence in the IchiOri fandom is just wearying. It'd be harmless except for the fact that it's pure mean-spiritedness without recompense and it sets off waves that make other people go at each other and be rude to random mailmen and cashiers just to displace their frustrations over her latest post....
I love the spread, I love the TALMUDIC attention people have given the details. I enjoy being a ficcer and being an IchiRuki fan who can hang with yaoi fangurls and hardcore hets and dreamy-eyed shippers and scholarly Pacific Coast manga nuts all of whom like me for ME and who aren't obsessed with degrading other FANS 24/7. We just wanna have fun with imaginary characters who DON'T HAVE FEELINGS. Fandom, as you've always said, my dear, should be fun.
Some people get their kicks in sick ways.
Damn, the things I've heard. The reasons why I was called "a cunt" or this person was called "a bitter old woman" or that person was "a bitch" or that one was "batshit insane" are probably all very human and understandable--sticks and stones break bones not ship war insults--but the nastiness lingers. The wars become less about whether or not Kubo Tite gave a nod to Honey and Clover in his latest color spread with Ichigo's striped shirt and more about whether so-and-so needs to get a life, get laid, or get the fuck out of my fandom.
**** *******, you get on my nerves. Other shippers--IchiRukis, IchiIshis, IshiNemus, KenYachirus--you're all insane and over-sensitive. Look, here's my bloody wrist and my head covered in ashes. My biggest fandom sin has probably been naivete and trying to be a nice mommy person. Everyone, forgive one another. Now, don't expect me to take you seriously if you say "oh, Ichigo calls Orihime INOUE as a secret sign of love and respect," but go ahead, have fun. I'm going to be over here in my happier part of the fandom drawing hentai or giggling with people over how Szayel is the prettiest guy in Bleach.
Be nice to cashiers too--btw. You have no hard evidence that they've done anything to hurt your favorite characters. Your leisure activities have not been desecrated by dummies in your fandom.
Ugh, I've been up all night with a vomiting kid. Real vomit is wiped up easier than internet crap. The whole "YOU ICHIRUKI PEOPLE ARE INSANE" shit pisses me off too sometimes, but hell, look who's saying it.
I mean, look. Not Ichigo. Not Rukia. Not even Kubo Tite. We have a rolling wonderful lush and wonderful fandom here--just hold your nose when you walk past the port-a-potties (andfandom_secrets ) and enjoy the rest of the carnival.
Happy birthday, Uryuu! <3
Warnings: not work safe, nudity, what looks like it may be heterosexual intercourse, cuteness, bad design
Erg, can't post this on DA and can't get this big enough here. Sometime this century I'll update my website and have it there.
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Ya know. I love my fandom so much sometimes---like on silly days like today when IshiHimes are being posted here for Uryuu's birthday.
Places like Fandom Wank and
fandom_secrets can just kiss their own hypocritcal "you take fandom too seriously" asses because this is my fandom and I'll squee if I want to. I've had a great deal of glee and erm... meaningful discourse... with fans this past week, especially in the wake of a "What do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titantic?" Kubo 298 cover spread. Just for posterity's sake and because I'm a ho, here's a much edited excerpt of what I posted in a friend's private LJ about the wankage. And it was wankery (how many collective nouns are there for this concept?) for the most part, not debate on race and privilege, critical theory, or the place of fandom in culture. All Who Are Merciful, Forgive Me My Fannishness and Judge Me Not.
Oh honey,honey. I need to write the story of this drama because I've been taking good notes and maybe I'll submit an article to THE NEW CRITERIA or PSYCHOS R US.
The masses of shippers and Bleach fans are, I believe, for the most part, innocent of any moral wrong. A few are guilty of stupidity and a few of hypocrisy (SELF INCLUDED OCCASIONALLY). The person who declared Ichigo and Orihime canon at 11 PST Oct. 30 because she fell victim to a joke crop-scan from Japan and then, not having the good grace to be embarrassed, immediately launched a spiteful campaign against IchiRuki fans that claimed that THEY, not her, were the ones screaming "canon" and being crazed shippers---well, I blame her for every bit of this particular mess. I've watched **** *******'s infantile stunts for a while now. I'd forgive her if she had a sense of humor--truly, some things my friends have done have made me wince but there's often seemed to be a working intelligence and self-deprecating humor behind plenty shipper sigs and stunts, etc. Some of the IchiOri, IchiIshi, KenYachiru peeps in Bleach bring me much joy with their snark. Now....**** ******* may be a fine gal who is kind to her brother and who feeds stray cats but her nyah, nyah, you're wrong, pot-calling-kettle presence in the IchiOri fandom is just wearying. It'd be harmless except for the fact that it's pure mean-spiritedness without recompense and it sets off waves that make other people go at each other and be rude to random mailmen and cashiers just to displace their frustrations over her latest post....
I love the spread, I love the TALMUDIC attention people have given the details. I enjoy being a ficcer and being an IchiRuki fan who can hang with yaoi fangurls and hardcore hets and dreamy-eyed shippers and scholarly Pacific Coast manga nuts all of whom like me for ME and who aren't obsessed with degrading other FANS 24/7. We just wanna have fun with imaginary characters who DON'T HAVE FEELINGS. Fandom, as you've always said, my dear, should be fun.
Some people get their kicks in sick ways.
Damn, the things I've heard. The reasons why I was called "a cunt" or this person was called "a bitter old woman" or that person was "a bitch" or that one was "batshit insane" are probably all very human and understandable--sticks and stones break bones not ship war insults--but the nastiness lingers. The wars become less about whether or not Kubo Tite gave a nod to Honey and Clover in his latest color spread with Ichigo's striped shirt and more about whether so-and-so needs to get a life, get laid, or get the fuck out of my fandom.
**** *******, you get on my nerves. Other shippers--IchiRukis, IchiIshis, IshiNemus, KenYachirus--you're all insane and over-sensitive. Look, here's my bloody wrist and my head covered in ashes. My biggest fandom sin has probably been naivete and trying to be a nice mommy person. Everyone, forgive one another. Now, don't expect me to take you seriously if you say "oh, Ichigo calls Orihime INOUE as a secret sign of love and respect," but go ahead, have fun. I'm going to be over here in my happier part of the fandom drawing hentai or giggling with people over how Szayel is the prettiest guy in Bleach.
Be nice to cashiers too--btw. You have no hard evidence that they've done anything to hurt your favorite characters. Your leisure activities have not been desecrated by dummies in your fandom.
Ugh, I've been up all night with a vomiting kid. Real vomit is wiped up easier than internet crap. The whole "YOU ICHIRUKI PEOPLE ARE INSANE" shit pisses me off too sometimes, but hell, look who's saying it.
I mean, look. Not Ichigo. Not Rukia. Not even Kubo Tite. We have a rolling wonderful lush and wonderful fandom here--just hold your nose when you walk past the port-a-potties (and
fandom_secrets ) and enjoy the rest of the carnival.Happy birthday, Uryuu! <3
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Date: 2007-11-06 06:47 am (UTC)It's amazing how sore and bitter some people can be, and the lengths they would go to to drag others down with them. But haha, whatever, it no longer affects me, at least not in a negative way.
I just think it's a bit of a shame that there will never be peace between the two camps. And nobody can say that we didn't put the effort in, because some of us have, only to be ignored. Whatevs.
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Date: 2007-11-06 03:20 pm (UTC)Just keep battling the RL, sweetie. It's has less of a plot than Bleach but deserves our attention more.
Many hugs to you.
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Date: 2007-11-06 07:32 pm (UTC)Um. Yeah, see, I think the problem is the whole seeing it as camps thing. Everybody's hiding out in their little separate shipping silo. I'm an IchiHime shipper, I can't stand IchiRuki. I get along fine with Debbie, and with a bunch of other IchiRuki shippers/anti-IchiHimes. There you go, peace right there.
Individuals will never all get along with one another. I'm not going to get along with a shrieking, rabid IchiRuki shipper who calls me names for liking IchiHime or not liking IchiRuki. (Of course, I wouldn't get along with an IchiHime shipper of the same calibre.) To expect there to be mass peace between every IchiRuki shipper and every IchiHime shipper is ridiculous.
I think what I'm trying to say here is -- I hate the "camps" mentality. I loathe it. I'm not part of the "IchiHime camp", sitting around a fire muttering death threats at every IchiRuki shipper I come across. "Camps" reinforces the idea, also, of the two ships being mutually exclusive. There are plenty of people who ship both IchiRuki and IchiHime -- they must, surely, be utterly torn apart by this, right?
No. I don't think so. I dunno, it shouldn't work like that. I'm an individual who is also an IchiHime shipper (and an IshiHime shipper, RukiHime -- okay, I'm a total shipwhore, but let's focus on my IchiHime-shipping-ness for now). IchiRuki shippers are not one gigantic homogenous camp, nor are IchiHime shippers.
It shouldn't be a war; it should just be a bunch of different people all disagreeing with one another and also finding points of concurrence.
... haha. Sorry about that, I just realized I sort of really rambled at you XD But, yeah. Your comment just sparked something I've been thinking about for a while now.
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:01 pm (UTC)Please don't misunderstand, I am not referring to every single IchiRuki and IchiHime fan out there, because obviously fandom is a very large place with many different people. I apologize if it sounded like I was, but my comment was actually only aimed at a certain group of IchiHime fans on the forums (Bleach Asylum) who have a very strong presence there.
What you said here: "I'm not part of the "IchiHime camp", sitting around a fire muttering death threats at every IchiRuki shipper I come across." is actually what happens in the IchiHime "camp" that I am referring to. And while I wouldn't say that the IchiRuki "camp" has done no wrong, it's just... Well, you really have to see it for yourself to understand -- maybe Debbie can explain better because she knows exactly what I'm talking about. And what's frustrating me is that our "camp" (which is really just a small circle of friends -- I don't know why they need to drag every other IchiRuki fan into this) has stepped up before to try and sort things out and just put a stop to the hostility... only to be ignored, or accused of having "ulterior motives".
So yeah, sorry about the misunderstanding. I am talking about at most 20 people, both "camps" included. A tiny, tiny corner of the fandom. But it also happens to be our corner and home, which is filled with snark and wank and drama daily, so I hope you can understand why Debbie and I are exasperated... And then that new fandomsecrets appeared. =_= We have reason to believe that the IchiHime "camp" put that in motion, since it was linked in their fanclub immediately after it was posted. Just... yeah. Completely unnecessary.
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:12 pm (UTC)And then that new fandomsecrets appeared. =_= We have reason to believe that the IchiHime "camp" put that in motion, since it was linked in their fanclub immediately after it was posted. Just... yeah. Completely unnecessary.
That's... a pretty big assumption, I'd just like to say. It being linked immediately after being posted really means nothing -- I've got
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-06 08:21 pm (UTC)I really need a "get off my side, you're making my side look stupid" icon. Alas, only 6 userpic spaces! ::woe::
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Date: 2007-11-07 12:10 am (UTC)LOL. Sometimes I say stupid things in the middle of these conversations like "Some of my best friends are IchiOris!" or "Some of my best friends are IchiIshis!"
*rolls over and dies*
I honestly believe, to this moment, in my foolish heart, that people can get along, that there can be peace in the Middle East and among Bleach shippers. I'm really REALLY Orihime, you see.
*goes to eat some yogurt and pringles*
It's funny--a friend of mine who ships IchiRuki also SECRETLY ships IchiOri and said "well, I was going to come out until this happened." It's funny that people WILL associate themselves with a "camp" and be embarrassed to be a member of one. I used to have a sig at Bleach Forums "Yes, I'm one of THEM" at the height of IchiRukiAreInsane mania, when I didn't even really know any IchiRukis. Probably got me hated upon prematurely, now that I think about it! XD
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:13 am (UTC)Well, that or Kubo's trying to imply OT4 four-way phone sex. ^^
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Date: 2007-11-06 03:21 pm (UTC)Damn. Another rabid plot bunny goes for my jugular.
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Date: 2007-11-06 10:35 am (UTC)Happy Birthday, Uryuu indeed!! <3
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Date: 2007-11-06 03:22 pm (UTC)oh thank you , Charlie. It's supposed to be a little stupid because... geez, there's no sillier sweeter pair than IshiHime but I think I went overboard with the heaven and stained glass.... Meh!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY URYUU!
Now I want open canvas... Edge-chan did those flesh tones in minutes.
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-06 01:06 pm (UTC)Ishihime gettin' it on!!!! WOOT!!!! HAPPY B-DAY ISHIDA-KUN!!!!!!
Yar, that are purty. :)
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Date: 2007-11-06 03:24 pm (UTC)I love to take his virginity. I'm imagining him getting pounced for his sweet sixteen by an Orihime who has been put under Aizen's Ultimate Hypnosis.
ha, ha.
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Date: 2007-11-06 01:51 pm (UTC)I shouldn't laugh, because ew, vomit, but...hee.
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Date: 2007-11-06 03:23 pm (UTC)LAUGH! LAUGH!
*hugs you*
If I didn't laugh when my kids vomit, I would ... er... not cry but probably vomit myself.
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Date: 2007-11-06 02:13 pm (UTC)- I always thought pairing debates were silly and I stay away from them. Especially since I like multiple pairings for most of the characters of Bleach. If there's a pairing I don't like for any fandom, I simply don't read the fiction or look at that fanart.
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Date: 2007-11-06 03:27 pm (UTC)You are wise. I like multiple pairings too but I have the curiosity of a killed-nine-times cat. I just can't help reading everything!
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Date: 2007-11-06 02:44 pm (UTC)Example, there was a huge manga con I went to last weekend. I was dressed up as Orihime in Hueco Mundo. A Rukia pointed at me and said 'Slut!'. Then she said something about Ichigo but I didn't hear that very well (I wasn't listening, really). I just gave her the finger. I'm not really a IchiHime shipper, but seriously - what did she expect?
I probably take fandom more or less seriously sometimes. But if it stopped being fun or pleasant or good to me, then I'd have to stop. I think the point of fandom_wank is less to laugh at fandom in general than to point out those who really seem to be doing an effort to make everything less fun.
I'm not sure if all of that made any sense, but... you know? XDno subject
Date: 2007-11-06 03:31 pm (UTC)Okay, now you've made me skeered to go to a com... I always wanted to cosplay Hime or Nanao.... I supposed being in character and doing crazy stuff is part of the fun, though. Like the guy who dresses like Roshi and gets to pinch butts of girls "in character?" XD
F_W *can* be funny but that's one place I seriously had to quite reading because it was hurting me. It was like this textual cocktail party of people being witty at other peoples' expense. Don Rickles humor. I can only take so much then I have to run back into IshiHime's fluffy arms.
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Date: 2007-11-06 04:20 pm (UTC)I like both things, I guess. Some wanks are hilarious, but my fandom is my fandom still. Fluff and shippiness is fun. ^^ I guess fandom wank was also born thanks to those, so in a way for me the two go together. ^^
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Date: 2007-11-06 03:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-06 03:32 pm (UTC)Ah, but it wasn't a grossy pic. I didn't go too explicit with it---I wanted to, so congratulate me! IshiHime will always be TEH CUTE.
Another too-long comment. Sorry.
Date: 2007-11-06 05:32 pm (UTC)i agree with [Bad username or site: @ livejournal.com]; if you dont like something, or dont agree, just dont read it. nobody has a gun to your head making you read something. bakas, the lot of them, i say!
AND finally... love the pic :) its all shiny and happy and cute, and congrats on getting all the body parts where you wanted them, i know you were having some issues with that haha
Re: Another too-long comment. Sorry.
Date: 2007-11-06 05:45 pm (UTC)I GOT HER BUTT RIGHT THANKS TO EDGE-CHAN!
I'm still not sure about the body parts and I don't like how I skimped on the hands but I was in a hurry. It's not too bad for being done while punch-drunk on no sleep with a vomiting kid nearby. I wanted to do something better for Uryuu's birthday!
I still have drabbles to post. Ahhhhh, I love my fandom--even with all its cranks. It's a lively fandom, a smart one, I love it.
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Date: 2007-11-06 07:46 pm (UTC)On the one hand, I really want to say 'word' - it's awesome being a fan of one pairing and being able to have friends who support others and being able to talk and banter and debate; that's why I love fandom. I've met a lot of great people through fandom. Bleach as a story makes me happy. I have absolutely loved this arc, even though certain people in the fandom have utterly trashed it for very little reason.
On the other, I'm really kind of miffed at the way fandom behaves itself as a whole, not just over 298. Speaking as someone who has watched this from the sidelines, the IchiRuki camp? Really hasn't been angels themselves. Speaking as someone who loves
In that way, I can kind of understand fandom, because while yeah, IchiRuki has a lot of really nice people, the proportion of brat:niceperson is going to be that much higher.
It's fandom, people. Isn't part of the fun supposed to be waiting to see, rather than flinging flimsy bits of canon around and ignoring others and just generally being awful?
I kind of... it wasn't just IchiHime who were tards over this cover-spread (and it was only a cover-spread, rather than The Looks That Wank The Fandom). There were IchiRuki brats who needed smiting too, and the whole thing kind of makes me want to just sit in the corner with my RenRuki flag and my laptop-folder full of smut singing WE SHALL OVERCOOOOOOOOME ^^;
ANYWAY. that is my 0.02p. which is technically $0.04, because hay! inflation and exchange rate. please don't hurt me.
IN SHORT, TL;DR, CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG?
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Date: 2007-11-07 12:13 am (UTC)Just gotta say I love Tsubaki.
He needs his own ship.
I want pair him with the prissy fairy for some reason.
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Date: 2007-11-07 12:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-06 08:50 pm (UTC)Shipping is about liking the concept of 2+ fictional characters getting it on/hooking up/falling in love. And/or hoping for it to happen in canon. Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime are not real -- Orihime's feelings cannot be hurt by the concept of IchiRuki, nor by people bashing her, because she is not real. Fanfic is another matter, but that is fantasy and doesn't apply to fandom discussions.
Discussions between real people.
Fandom is about discourse. It's about discussion and back-and-forth and give-and-take. It's about people... reacting to other people, with the people doing the reacting being reacted to in turn. It's a great big chain of reactions. If you put something forward on the internet, the people who see it are going to react to it. They might even, yes, get annoyed by it. Even if it's "just about fictional characters". If you get pissed off just because someone has a different opinion from you? Yep. Congratulations, you're a douche.
If you get pissed off because someone has a different opinion from you, and you think they're being unreasonable about that opinion? Different matter.
So.
Single-mindedness. People insisting that there is there is only one interpretation of something. People refusing to consider other interpretations. People in silos. 'I ship IchiRuki, so everything is most definitely IchiRuki and nothing could possibly, ever, be IchiHime; nothing IchiHime is worthwhile; IchiHime is by nature wrong and OOC, because I ship IchiRuki and I'm right.'
That attitude is going to piss me off. I think I've got every right to be pissed off by it. I might react to that, react to the fact that I'm pissed off -- I might respond, to argue. But I'm going to try to be polite about it, I'm going to try to consider other angles.
Maybe other people are going to think I'm a jerk because of that. Am I? I don't think so. But... maybe I am. Who's judging? Nobody is fully impartial.
I'm not even sure what point I'm trying to make here now XD I think I'm just rambling. Just... argh. I want to retroactively smack those IchiHime canon-criers now, too -- see, when I ranted about the whole thing on my journal I talked about the claims that the spread was IchiRuki, because I hadn't seen the IchiHime side to it.
I guess it boils down to... people have got every right to squee about shippy stuff. People have got every right to get annoyed at the squeeing. Letting their annoyance be known is not bad in and of itself; it's how they do it. Same thing with squeeing -- not annoying in and of itself, it's how it's done. It's about self-irony and looking at things from different angles and single-mindedness and courtesy and consideration, not ignoring and not reacting and not getting emotionally engaged.
In short: sometimes, we all just have to get over ourselves and get a fresh sense of perspective. Or something. The ICHIRUKI VS ICHIHIME thing is, to my mind, a great big I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG thing. We don't need to segregate ourselves from other fans and withdraw into "corners" of fandom. We need to... learn how to discuss things with an open mind. We need to recognize, hey, we might not be right. Ichigo might end up with Chizuru for all we know.
Do people ship that? Well, if they don't, I do now.... gah. I don't know! I give up on trying to think about this, it makes my head hurt XD
I just want an Orihime + Shun Shun Rikka cover spread now D: It'd be infinitely more awesome than shipwars. Although, Bleach fandom could probably find a way to wank even over that...
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-07 12:16 am (UTC)*gives you a cake* YES, THAT WINS THE PRIZE. XD
I'm going to write an essay about shipper mentality one day. It's going be a little like a inmates view of the asylum, I guess, but it's a wacky sort of fandom process. I've never shipped in public before but I WOULD have to pick Bleach.
*ships Chizuru and Ichigo now* You know... that would be majorly hot.
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Date: 2007-11-10 08:55 pm (UTC)- pervy Anonymous -