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And something else sort of interesting from Sensei's twitter that I was reluctant to post because he was rather vague and I thought there might be over-interpretation. What I gathered from the tweets was that Sensei was having ... uh .. a kinda artistic late night pondering and state of defiance over something. When questioned by fans "you're not talking about Bleach are you?" he claimed to be talking about music, lol, but said that his opinions about manga were the same. And he said that he's just trying to sort out his thoughts on Twitter and to read his thoughts with that in mind.
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mezzo_marinaio :
受け手としては、自分の価値観を疑えなくなったら終わり。作り手としては、自分の価値観を信じられなくなったら終わり。でも、逆の方が多分楽にやっていける。
As a listener, if I can't call into question my own values it's the end. As a creator, if I can't believe in my own values it's the end. But maybe doing the opposite would work as well.
俺が言ってるのは「嫌いだ」って感覚を疑わなきゃいけない、ってこと。自分の所属してる社会や、自分が社会だと信じてるコミュニティの多数意見に擦り寄って、外から見える自分の価値を上げようとしていないか。その否定は本当に自分の中から出た否定なのかを自身で精査しなければいけない、ってこと。
What I’m saying is that I must call into question my feelings of “I hate this”. Snuggling up to the majority opinion of a community that believes society to be comprised only of themselves and their associations, and not even trying to make my worth as seen by others increase in value … what I mean is that I must do a careful examination, to find out whether this denial is really a denial that comes from inside myself.
See, told you it was vague. But I think it's important to know that Sensei is thinking about art a lot. I came across a quote of his just today that reminded me that Kubo Tite is a real artist. I know I'm often accused of overthinking Bleach, "just a comic book" but Sensei wrote on the inside flap of the first volume of Zombie Powder:
"The theme is fighting. Sitting there and just reading it without thinking is fine. But if you ever feel like it please try to use your mind as you read."
And something else sort of interesting from Sensei's twitter that I was reluctant to post because he was rather vague and I thought there might be over-interpretation. What I gathered from the tweets was that Sensei was having ... uh .. a kinda artistic late night pondering and state of defiance over something. When questioned by fans "you're not talking about Bleach are you?" he claimed to be talking about music, lol, but said that his opinions about manga were the same. And he said that he's just trying to sort out his thoughts on Twitter and to read his thoughts with that in mind.
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mezzo_marinaio :受け手としては、自分の価値観を疑えなくなったら終わり。作り手としては、自分の価値観を信じられなくなったら終わり。でも、逆の方が多分楽にやっていける。
As a listener, if I can't call into question my own values it's the end. As a creator, if I can't believe in my own values it's the end. But maybe doing the opposite would work as well.
俺が言ってるのは「嫌いだ」って感覚を疑わなきゃいけない、ってこと。自分の所属してる社会や、自分が社会だと信じてるコミュニティの多数意見に擦り寄って、外から見える自分の価値を上げようとしていないか。その否定は本当に自分の中から出た否定なのかを自身で精査しなければいけない、ってこと。
What I’m saying is that I must call into question my feelings of “I hate this”. Snuggling up to the majority opinion of a community that believes society to be comprised only of themselves and their associations, and not even trying to make my worth as seen by others increase in value … what I mean is that I must do a careful examination, to find out whether this denial is really a denial that comes from inside myself.
See, told you it was vague. But I think it's important to know that Sensei is thinking about art a lot. I came across a quote of his just today that reminded me that Kubo Tite is a real artist. I know I'm often accused of overthinking Bleach, "just a comic book" but Sensei wrote on the inside flap of the first volume of Zombie Powder:
"The theme is fighting. Sitting there and just reading it without thinking is fine. But if you ever feel like it please try to use your mind as you read."
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Date: 2011-06-20 03:16 pm (UTC)The Jump Bang pic is Ichigo being swallowed by a... splash of black paint? I keep thinking that the shape of it is supposed to resemble something, but so far I got nothing.
As to the poll, don't expect mysterygami, wouldn't put it past KT to have Tsukishima be really related to Ichigo, just as I wouldn't put it past him that there will be another fight between Ichigo and Tsuki without us kearning anything new.
That being said, the set up does so far does suggest that Tsukishima wants to talk, and him denying killling the shinigami and placing the blame on Ginjou is a pretty good prediction. Unless it was just about Tsuki being unable to locate Ichigo, so he stayed at his house figuring that sooner or later Ichigo was bound to show up there.
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Date: 2011-06-20 03:30 pm (UTC)I dunno. I may be really off the mark but it sounds to me like criticism of his work is getting to Sensei--I don't think this is a bad thing. Every artist has to question whether or not he's writing from an internal set of standards or for an audience's expected set of standards (maybe this is what he means by "values?") I believe that art is a communication between both, but eh, every artist is super sensitive about that communication, especially when it's broken.
Phones tie you to me, etc.
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Date: 2011-06-20 03:24 pm (UTC)The hypocrisy of this after the last two years of Bleach is not lost on me.
Also, I understand the feeling of not wanting to conform to the masses, sheeple etc, but sometimes things are unpopular because they suck, and not because someone is a misunderstood artiste. Not every opinion that I disagree with or find insane is the result of the hoi polloi's hive mind. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Date: 2011-06-20 03:31 pm (UTC)And sometimes a hot dog is a really bad joke. XD
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Date: 2011-06-20 05:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 03:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 03:33 pm (UTC)Well, you're rarely wrong so what if everything comes true. O_O You were on a losing streak for the first time in years predicting this arc though so ... I wonder what that means....
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Date: 2011-06-20 04:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 06:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 06:25 pm (UTC)I should have done the same as you.
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Date: 2011-06-20 03:34 pm (UTC)I laughed, albeit bitterly.
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Date: 2011-06-20 03:53 pm (UTC)Therefore, as yo regarding the image it looks like Ichigo's being swallowed up by his fullbring powers only to become Skeletor in disguise. I wonder if Ichigo glows in the dark like the Skeletor action figure did.
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Date: 2011-06-20 04:41 pm (UTC)ONG, THE HORROR! LOLOLOLOLOLMAO! XD
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Date: 2011-06-20 04:38 pm (UTC)I own Zombie P <3. That is definitely one of my favorite lines of his and why we end up analyzing things so much XD. He does put a lot of thought behind his works and things are not shallow and one layered.
That is really vague on his twitter, specially that second paragraph... I wonder what he meant exactly. Don't want to speculate too much on that one :P . I guess Ichigo is not the only one in denial XDDDD
Since Sensei exploded back towards some fans a while back, as he was fed up with some comments, stopped faving some things and his popularity slipping, it made me feel like all that constant crap was really getting to him.
He does listen to his fans. But, perhaps has to find a perfect balance where he is true to himself and also like he said "question his own values", as he is not perfect and maybe something is wrong and has to admit it is and not close himself into something and not be open minded?. I think re-evaluating your work is normal for any artist and maybe he feels is time to do so... Again, but in a deeper way?
As far as that drawing, man! it feels like Kubo is getting in a darker and darker place. He is very NOIR lately, when he is not drawing moe Orihime-Riruka spreads XDD. It looks to me as if Ichigo's shoulder/arm is exploding into something like reiatsu (or blood, I can't tell the difference ) and then it is bleeding down to form the words Jump!Bang. At least it looks like that to me.
I wanted to check on all the options of the poll, I loved all the answers (maybe not the obvious conflicting ones) XDDDD. Shi shi should be drinking tea in the kitchen with Karin lmao and eating Orihime hand me down bread XDDDDDDDD <333
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Date: 2011-06-20 04:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 05:00 pm (UTC)It wasn't showing up for some reason so I went back and re-entered it. Can you see it now? I do think I left out a couple Gashapons. XD I see them on my desk right now.
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Date: 2011-06-20 05:02 pm (UTC)If you still can't see them, here they are:
I love dolls. I ... wish I had Riruka powers to make minatures of things and put them in my dollhouse of love.
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Date: 2011-06-20 05:18 pm (UTC)Awesome! My favorite is the TaeYang, as I am a Pullip / Tae / Dal collector, but I also love the Szayel-created Weeble-bottom Ishida! A nice collection, Debbie!
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Date: 2011-06-20 05:33 pm (UTC)The TaeYang was customized for me by a friend who also made me a Pullip Orihime. She sewed the cutest Quincy clothes for him too.... I'll have to post some other pics for you but I'm about to go to a meeting. I have one Dal and six J-dolls. I'd like to get more customized Bleach dolls--I've seen beautiful Ichigos and oh, Dal makes a lovely Rukia--she's perfect.
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Date: 2011-06-20 04:54 pm (UTC)As for the next chapter, I've stopped trying to predict this series. I'd like it if Tsukishima did turn out to be related to everyone, personally, just because I'd find the twist funny.
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Date: 2011-06-20 04:58 pm (UTC)The drawing disturbs the shit out of me, not gonna lie.
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Date: 2011-06-20 05:06 pm (UTC)Now when you do care to explain to us wtf it is ? :)
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Date: 2011-06-20 05:12 pm (UTC)It's a fist punching through the drawing. You can see Ichigo there but whether he's just an onlooker or whether the fist is punching through something inside HIM or is PART of him I can't really tell. It's really disturbing--like it's part of his FB maybe but it seems like a big FU from the art to the audience. It seems so scribbly--like something an emo kid would do in a notebook and nothing at all like what a traditional manga-ka would do at all. It's so freaking weird.
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Date: 2011-06-20 05:16 pm (UTC)Hahaha, while I admit that's the first thing I thought when I saw what you meant (I got the fist later but I still didn't quite get it) I doubt that he has had such frustrations for so long :D I like it though, it's different and there's something dark and raging in it certainly, joining traditional manga art and this type of... more "artistic" approach.
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Date: 2011-06-21 05:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 05:54 pm (UTC)In the first few pages, the camera will slowly pan around Ichigo to show us that yes, indeed, Tsukishima is still on the Kurosaki couch.
Then it will cut to Yuzu, who will be making cute, moe faces of worry and confusion at Ichigo.
The camera will then slowly proceed along the floor to reach Tsukishima's feet... it will slowly trail over his legs and linger wistfully on his crotch area... it will give us a close up of his chest, his sexy chin, his lower lip, and then SUDDENLY!
It will be revealed that Yuzu has offered him tea, and that he's DRINKING IT.
*shock*
By this time we'll have reached page 15.
In the last few pages, Tsukishima will slowly, slowly bring the cup to his mouth.
The cliffhanger being: WILL he swallow or not?
Tune in next week to find out! :OOOO
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Date: 2011-06-20 05:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 05:58 pm (UTC)I'll be more or less okay with this scenario if there REALLY IS A TSUKISHIMA CROTCH PANEL.
Because lo, I will have a new icon!
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Date: 2011-06-20 06:01 pm (UTC)Besides, just think: and ENTIRE WEEK of discussion centered over whether Tsukishima swallows or not.
It doesn't get any better than that. :3
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Date: 2011-06-20 08:03 pm (UTC)The direction my thoughts went.... hahah
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Date: 2011-06-21 05:58 pm (UTC)I bet he doesno subject
Date: 2011-06-21 08:30 pm (UTC)...oh, it's where they were meant to go! XDno subject
Date: 2011-06-20 08:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-21 01:17 am (UTC)I am such a hypocrite for thinking "I wouldn't really mind this chapter". I mean come on, you can't go wrong with fanservice-y Tsukishima shots, right? Right?
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Date: 2011-06-21 03:22 pm (UTC)To drink or not to drink, that is the question for Tsukishima. Next chapter, he won't and will take panels putting the cup on the table
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Date: 2011-06-20 05:54 pm (UTC)As for the twitter musings... interesting. He might just be talking about music, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's been getting some criticism (hopefully constructive) and is mulling over how to approach it.
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Date: 2011-06-20 08:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-21 01:55 am (UTC)I'm pretty sure he's not going to fight . We just HAD a big fight.
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Date: 2011-06-22 07:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 09:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-21 01:19 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-21 01:19 am (UTC)A lot of these options made me LOL, but this one especially did. It would be so completely OOC for Karin. I had to laugh. XD
Also the hillbilly and Ririn the filler chicken ones are golden.
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Date: 2011-06-21 10:25 am (UTC)lets be honest a lot of people want to see more familiar faces like rukia, shinigami or others. as readers we can always point out mistakes more easily because we understood bleach to be like this or that. but its the writer who really knows what bleach is about. right now though, i get the feeling kubo wants to convince us of certain things. like orihime was not a failure the last arc and now is ramming it down into us. its hard to simply accept after years of that arc.
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Date: 2011-06-21 01:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-21 02:02 pm (UTC)Actually that's the one I'm looking forward to the most. I figure no one's told Ichigo (neither Chad nor Orihime?) about Tsukishima's weird ability so Ichigo is probably going to be confuzzled and quiet while Tsuki gets to actually talk for a bit... and I've been dying for Tsuki to DISH IT OUT SINCE FOREVER. We need more from his side of things.
The Jump!Bang drawing came out no more than 3 wks ago, I believe. I'm not quite sure. It was recent.
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Date: 2011-06-22 11:51 am (UTC)Strange plot twists are going to abound, with any luck
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Date: 2011-06-21 01:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-22 11:57 am (UTC)Now, the twitter musings...those are different. He's, what, caught between trying to please the Bleach fandom and write what he believes people at large will like? Or the story he wants to tell?
It sucks for him, because it seems like he wants to tell all these different stories, and fans just want one, but he wants to please them, AND tell his stories at the same time, so...he has a problem.
Either way, he does sound frustrated. I feel bad for him.
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Date: 2011-06-28 06:05 pm (UTC)Ginjou was the one who killed the Shinigami representative, or so says Tsukishima in some elaborate explanation to make Ichigo get SO CONFUSED
Honestly, that seems the most likely.