Hinamori or Matsumoto and the search for a beta

[http://users.livejournal.com/_debbiechan_/]

In an attempt to look at the difference between ardent my-sanity-is-invested in this ship attitude (example: IshiHime and me XD) and the I-support-this-ship laissez-faire attitude, I want to ask about some ships that I never take interest in (other than the fact that Hitsugaya looks twelve and the idea of him in a sexual relationship weirds me out a little).

It's said that ardent shippers can't convince the other side so why make ship arguments at all? I'm defining ship arguments here as those disagreements over nuances in the story and predictions of how the story will go, NOT the nyah nyah warring and personal attacks. I'd like to hear people advocate for either Hinamori or Matsumoto. 1) Why is one "better" for Shiro-chan than the other 2) Who do you think will "end up" with Hitsugaya, if anyone at all.  Also, it you think Hitsugaya goes better with Ichigo, goes better with Ukitake (! the pedophilia observations about this always get to me!) or goes better with coke, will you tell me? I really don't care one way or the other and want to see if I can be convinced.

Those making personal attacks will be shot.

EDIT: I've found a beta that sounds perfect. I am so happy.

i have to admit it at last. I'm lost without a beta. I post fics with typos that are pitiful. I read I've written ten words where I could've said what I wanted in three. I don't catch time consistencies or am not sure about moments in characterization. Making mistakes curdles my blood.

The last problem is the one I've had the most fun addressing with a beta who is more than a beta. But I'm not looking for a "writing partner"
or even a long-term beta. I want a manuscript proofer  who can question a character's behavior here and there without having to provide the argument as to why she thinks my character is OCC. I guess what I'm saying is I want a beta light, hold the garnish.

Sound easy? Here's the bad part: I expect quick turn-over, no more than two or three days and even three days is pushing it. I write a lot, sometimes as much as two or three one-shots a week. I'm very neurotic. I may post a short fic without asking for help, but I may ask for help after it's posted. " I know my grammar and know when bad use of it is required (!) for dramatic effect so if I disagree with your some of your corrections, you may feel neglected or think I'm insane. Even if those two conclusions are objectively true, I'd want my beta to not bother to tell me. I'm not into a "relationship" here. I don't want personal advice or expect to give it; I just want my manuscript.

You must be willing to beta smut. At the moment I don't do incest or shota or lolli but who knows. I may. I tend to want to try new things.

The nice part is that I'm not mean, tend to be grateful and mail presents and take requests for anyone who does me any little favor. ANY LITTLE FAVOR.  I thank my beta on the first page of a fic and can direct readers to your own work.

Anyone who wants to be my beta can write to deb@debbiechan.com and tell my why you'd think you'd fit my needs.

Why do I feel like I've just written a bad lonely hearts ad?

Comments

[jaina.livejournal.com]

I can't really convince you of anything, since I'm not a strong Hitsugaya ship advocate. But as a random bystander, I'll say that I don't like Hinamori/Hitsugaya in the current to near future timeline, because it seems so cheap when authors have her just snap out of her Aizen issues to realize she's loved Shirou-chan all along. Naaaaah. And in the future, I dislike them as a couple mainly because I like Hinamori when she's not crazy. I like her when she shows her own strength. And while Hitsugaya would have the best of intentions in wanting to take care of her...I want her to take care of herself.

I like Hitsugaya and Matsumoto, either as a couple or just friends or as captain/vice-captain. They're one of those duos that makes such a wonderful team that I'll read them in pretty much any setting. I can take or leave the romance.

I think I owe you a couple fic comments so I'll go do that now.

[gottaloveanime.livejournal.com]

Erm... Although I know it's one sided, I ship Hinamori/Hitsugaya. And here are my opinions:

~ Matsumoto: I think she's still in love with Gin. During SS she thought about him a lot, and after he left with Aizen, she had a flashback of him, and she was very sad and all ;; saying "what an idiot..."
I think the Matsumoto & Hitsugaya interactions are only comic relief though. Their relationship is nothing more than a captain/vice-captain relationship...

~ Hitsugaya: I think he has feelings for Hinamori. During SS he always checked on her to be sure she's safe, like telling her "watch out from 3rd division captain" and such. Also he told Gin "If you hurt one hair of Hinamori, I'll kill you", or something like that. So he's being protective over her ^^
Also, I think his motivation to fight Aizen comes from Hinamori. Aizen hurt Hinamori very much. I think Hitsugaya wants to get his revenge on Aizen for hurting his girl. Last time he saw Hinamori, he went "Aizen... *clenching his hands*" Mwhahaha <333

~ Hinamori: Well... she is the questionable one. ^^" During SS she clearly LOVED Aizen, and didn't want to leave his side. She even intended to KILL her Shiro-chan, because she though Aizen ordered her to do so. But right now... right now, I think she lost her mind!! x__x" Last time we saw her, she asked Hitsugaya to SAVE Aizen! SAVE HIM! o__o" I think she still loves Aizen!! Her mind is definitely blurred right now, after all that's happened. I mean, the man she loved just stubbed her. So right now Hinamori is a big question mark.

So... it's not "which one is better for him". It's clear that he loves Hinamori, but Hinamori is kind of... crazy right now. So it's one sided love. ;;
Hope I convinced you! XD
And good luck with finding a beta! ^_^

[quaedam.livejournal.com]

I guess I just ship Hitsugaya/Matsumoto (as well as Gin/Matsumoto, but I anticipate that one ending in tears) because I'm not huge into the whole one-sided childhood romance finally requited thing (not big on RenRuki, either), but I love relationships that happen more organically or simultaneously between people working together. And Hitsu would have to grow up some either way (shota does nothing for me), but he *already* acts like more of a grownup around Matsumoto, not to mention that she already treats him like a grown man as Hinamori (who still ruffles his hair and talks down to him) does not. There's also the fact that Matsumoto's such a wild and crazy babe, and Hitsugaya's a little of a buttoned-up prude (a bit of the same thing as goes on with IshiHime).

Yaoi pairings with Hitsugaya don't do it for me at all. . .if only because when I like him, I like him because he's proud and icy and in control of himself, not weepy-uke shota boy. And I really don't recall any scenes between him and another man in Bleach that begged for slash, though I have the worst slash goggles in the history of ever. ^^ (Him with Gin or Ukitake just *creeps me the fuck out*. XD) I have no idea at all where people get IchiHitsu from. . .then again I just don't *get* *most* Ichigo slash pairings--not because I don't find them believable, but because Ichigo's sort of like a noble gas--that is, there isn't much out there that he has chemistry with.

[saintalecto.livejournal.com]

I would LOVE to beta for you, but I'm afraid I'd gush to much. Plus my internet is sparse in the summer. Ask me again in the fall when I'm back at school and I'm all yours, srsly. If you cannot find anybody within the week, I'll make it a point to get to a faster connection in order to help you out.

Recently, I used a beta for the second part of love lessons and I'm going to use her again for the third part and I'm sure she'd like to help. I'll write her to tell her that you are looking if you'd like.

Hitsu is not going to end up with anybody. He and the women that surround him are the poster children for unrequited love.
I won't try to convince you of either relationship because neither is going to happen. But if you must know, I prefer Hitsu/Matsu because Momo is a love-sick dolt. She doesn't deserve Hitsu, even if she realized her GIANT mistake tommorrow.

I only ever imgained Hitsu/Ukitake as a mentor/mentee relationship, uncle/nephew at the most. I don't think Ukitake means anything by the candy. I think it's sweet.

And Ichigo/Hitsu- ugh. I read one once and even though there wasn't even a hint of pedo, I was disgusted by having to imagine Ichigo having sex with such a small body. I hate Ichi/Hitsu like I hate Ichi/Ruki- too tall, to small.

I did write a Hitsu/Matsu once. It was for the kink meme and didn't include intercourse for that very reason.(Too tall, to small) I was also careful to highlight Hitsu's bosiness and Matsu's immaturity to make sure that I didn't go anywhere near pedo-land. I kind of liked the way I wrote sex between them, but I only got one comment for it. :(

[andrew-jp.livejournal.com]

I kinda prefer HitsuHina because damn, that girl needs something good in her life, doesn't she? Although I will give props to HitsuMatsu for being a lot of fun to say. Try it sometime!

[escarboucle.livejournal.com]

Hum, good question.

HitsuHina:
I think Momo is (still) in love with Aizen. She worshipped him, but there is definitely more in her feelings for him, and that's probably why she can't think of him as a traitor. Beside that, she sees Hitsu as a little brother, and it's been such a long time that she feels that way that I can't see her going in the Hitsu=potential romantic interest. Once a guy falls into the brother's category, it's the end for him :p
Hitsugaya's feelings are a bit more foggy I guess. It can be read either as a brotherly love or a romantic love. But the fact that he never complained about Aizen and the omake for his birthday with Matsu, Aizen and Hinamori really leads me to think that he only sees Momo as someone who needs to be protected but not someone that he does actually love that way.

HitsuMatsu:
I think Matsumoto still loves Gin, but this is a one-sided feeling.
There is between Hitsu and Matsu a lot of chemistry; they are partners, they trust each other, help each other, always know when the other is troubled or concerned. It's very natural and refreshing.
However, this pairing would need some work; first, Matsu getting over Gin. And Hitsu growing taller too (I'm not into shota). But the base is here and it'd be easier to make a great pairing with HitsuMatsu than with HitsuHina IMHO. HitsuHina has the cute factor, but imagine HitsuMatsu when Hitsu will look older, and you'll have a very hot pairing XD

~Syn

[http://users.livejournal.com/_debbiechan_/]

I think Matsumoto still loves Gin, but this is a one-sided feeling.

That "sorry" from Gin was so sad, though. And the time he couldn't continue the fight because Matsumoto stepped in. Do you think Gin has any sort of feelings for her at all (even if he is a wicked, torturing scoundrel!)

[escarboucle.livejournal.com]

Gin has a soft spot for her, but it could never turn into love (which has been depicted in their duet written by Kubo). Matsu's love has a feeling of hopelessness during the SS arc but I think that now she just wants answers to her questions. I'm under the impression that she knows he won't love her back and she's trying to not let that get her. Not to mention that he is a traitor and she was probably deeply hurt by his behaviour, since she is so lawful to SS.

~Syn

[neko-in-blue.livejournal.com]

like someone who already wroted 3 pages of hitsu/rangiku sex fic and got too lazy to finish..... XD

not talking about love, passion or all the stuff... rangiku will EAT hitsugaya UP simply because she wanted to and he will be helpless addicted

even if he looks like a boy, I can see MANLY written all over him. Manly pride. So I think that he´ll continue to be with Rangiku only to try to make her forget about gin - not because he is love or something, but just because he hates him - and to keep her away from the other man on Sereitei. And even if he seems so cool all the time, he´s STILL a young boy full of hormones. No responsabilites and captain stuff in his head and he´ll take those biiiiiiiig boobs in his hands in a blink

he is her captain. other people are used to see them together and in close doors. he is there, she is there. its just so pratical and those two are two pratical people. even if rangiku is sometimes goofy. But we must admitt that lifting up skirt to negociate with a teen was fucking clever XD

[dawnduskdancer.livejournal.com]

I'm not really a fan of HitsuHina or HitsuMatsu... not really sure why, it's just that neither pairing really seemed plausible to me. I think that, for now at least, Matsumoto and Hinamori are still somewhat in love with Gin and Aizen and that would kind of get in the way of their forming other romantic/sexual relationships. I can't really see Hitsugaya "ending up with" anyone in Bleach canon just because to my mind he is still a kid. Also, I kind of like to think that when they both grow up he'll marry Yachiru simply because that would be awfully cute. Seeing as they've hardly interacted at all so far though it's a bit improbable I guess.

[shadowsinfire.livejournal.com]

HitsugayaxMatsumoto or HitsugayaxHinamori... Forget both of them. ShirouxChiru 4eva!!!

Alright, so now I've got that out of my system.

Personally, I can read most HitsugayaxMatsumoto with out going 'OOC!!' at it, but I don't think it's very likely in canon. I can only read some HitsugayaxHinamori, but I think that's mainly because much of it feels so ooc to me I just can't keep reading.

I think that is because of Hinamori being quite hard to write. She's so full of contradictions. If you want a rant on that I can give you one, but it'd take a while ^^.

Some things, like tasteslikemiso(ff.net)'s 'a flower enticed to bloom in winter' anthology (poems. Good poems) I can read, but I don't think they're ever going to end up together, because Aizen f*cked up her brain too much.

But Hitsu-chan has to end up with someone, ne? And here we have Yachiru...

[http://users.livejournal.com/_debbiechan_/]

I hear Yachiro a lot. And given that this one is a freebie in terms of fanfic (an unknown future), it makes sense. Two very strong personalities.

[shadowsinfire.livejournal.com]

Plus, there isn't as much of an age gap... or a height one.

[oymillefeuille.livejournal.com]

Toushiro and Momo.

I think Toushiro sees Momo as an elder sister whom he cares very much and wants to protect her. Maybe he has feelings for her, I'm not really sure. But the musical team seems to take it as he has feelings for her. :P Anyway, on Momo, it's obvious she sees Toushiro as a cherished friend, I didn't think she loves Aizen until Chapter 224 (was it?) where she went, "Please save Aizen Taichou T-T." But the part where I really think Toushiro just treated her as a dear, loved elder sister was because he demanded to be called 'Hitsugaya Taichou' and not 'Hitsugaya-kun'.


Toushiro and Rangiku

Toushiro and Rangiku is a comedic pair. They are funny on-screen and I love their current relationship and hope it will stay that way. ^__^ I also think that Ran is an elder sister to Toushiro somewhat. Contrary to Momo, Ran can look after herself, she provides Toushiro space, and understanding, and make things light-hearted to cheer him up. Then I think Rangiku and Gin have feelings for each other. But for some twisted reasons Gin has set his sights on other things and other people, for example Rukia, and it's hard for me to make assumptions on his character because he's still so mysterious and nearly impossbile to decipher. I hang on to chapters where he apologized to Ran, where he retracted his sword because of Ran, and where he as a kid, told Ran some of the most unforgettable sweet things ever. It is still weird to think they would come from a creepy adult Gin, so I am anticipating the next Gin Rukia interaction. But nevertheless, I think I still feel Gin has feelings for Rangiku, or at least, remnants of what's left of those feelings.

In the end though, if Momo ever gets over Aizen, there is a possibility where she might end up with Toushiro, but that's just an far shot assumption anyway. Most probably we would see Toushiro and her repairing their relationship and Toushiro would continue to care for her, and she would have to learn to appreciate him more. As a friend, brother or otherwise.

As for other crack Toushiro pairings, I've seen some really hilarious Japanese fancomics of Toushiro x Aizen. If one day should you decide to write it, I'll read it. But hopefully it's not NC-17..they scare me. :P I can only take heterosexual smut...except the orange x brown. ^__^

[http://users.livejournal.com/_debbiechan_/]

Haha, Justine is scared of smuuuut.

Who's the orange and brown? Ichigo and Aizen???? Interesting. I see Aizen with anybody. He's such a mindfucker he probably doesn't need to have sex, but you know he could get anyone he wants.

THE BANNER. I keep meaning to change it, but the more I look at it, the more I think I like it from the "real one." The red seems to balance in its little sharp way.

I will stare at it some more.....

[silverharmony.livejournal.com]

Also, it you think Hitsugaya goes better with Ichigo, goes better with Ukitake (! the pedophilia observations about this always get to me!) or goes better with coke, will you tell me?

Okay... I have a feeling I'm the only one here whose Hitsugaya-OTP is a yaoi ship. Yes, I'm one of those IchiHitsu authors/shippers whose shoulders you want to shake because you have no idea why I like such a strange pairing - even though said strange pairing is really not as unpopular as it looks, so I'm clearly not the only one who looks at them in canon and sees the potential for yaoi. Well, if you're curious as to why, feel free to ask; but since the question is about Hinamori and Matsumoto, I'll answer in regards to Hinamori and Matsumoto for the moment.

At the risk of being blasted into oblivion by people who vehemently disagree, it's obvious that I don't like either HitsuHina or HitsuMatsu; however, if I had to choose based on preference and likelihood, I would say that I prefer HitsuMatsu to HitsuHina (read next paragraph to see why), although I think that HitsuHina is more likely to happen in canon only because I see HitsuMatsu as more cracky.

The reason I don't like HitsuHina at all is because for me, putting them into a romantic and/or sexual relationship, even in canon, just... severely undervalues the strong, loving sibling protectiveness that they have between them. I absolutely love and adore the idea of Hitsugaya wanting to protect Hinamori because of the since-childhood bonds that they have, but once you start putting hints of romance into the picture, it just doesn’t do it for me. That kind of romance becomes too generic, too stale, too Hollywood. I think their siblinglike relationship has far more value, because that kind of thing is more familial, and I see Hinamori and Hitsugaya as seeing each other as the only and most precious, cherished family. They both have friends, but in my opinion that familial bond is so strong, so protective and pure, and so beautiful that putting them into a romantic relationship just devalues it. I know other people don’t think this way, but I do.

Also, as other people mentioned, the thing between Hinamori and Aizen – I’m keen to see what happens with it in canon. Because I also adore the way Hinamori harbors so much respect and love for her captain; I was so touched by it in the storyline. I’m sure that in the end, even if Aizen is that evil and that cruel – stuff Ichigo’s manly fighting methods, Hinamori will be the only one who can touch Aizen where it really counts. I’m not saying she’ll convert him or anything, but at least Hinamori will play a big part in the final battle against him. Her faith and trust in him is one of the most moving things in the whole series, and that has to count for something later on. I think that Matsumoto and Gin’s since-childhood relationship has a similar concept: it has to count for something later on, because it’s obvious that Matsumoto cares about him a great deal.

As for HitsuMatsu, I don’t like it at all but, as I said, I prefer it to HitsuHina. I like how there’s a potential for there to be some hidden strong friendship beyond their professional relationship, but same as HitsuHina, shoving them into a romantic and/or sexual relationship just devalues that potential strong friendship for me. Besides, from what we can see in canon, if this pairing were to be attempted, it would lie on the border of crack, so I don’t think it’s going to happen in canon. Heh, I know that IchiHitsu is crack too, and that it would never happen, but that’s what fanfiction is for, right? =)

[silverharmony.livejournal.com]

Oh, and sorry to the poster for the inbox spammage, but there's one more thing:

Yaoi pairings with Hitsugaya don't do it for me at all. . .if only because when I like him, I like him because he's proud and icy and in control of himself, not weepy-uke shota boy.

As an IchiHitsu shipper and author, I have never seen him as a weepy-uke shota boy; I will never see him as a weepy-uke shota boy; and I have never written him (and will never write him) as a weepy-uke shota boy.

Ichigo and Hitsugaya both have their strengths in canon that I'm well aware of and it's just not right to say that IchiHitsu is a pairing that turns Hitsugaya into a weak submissive bottom. Besides, you can just look at the few interactions they've had and it's clearly not like that; a large percentage of IchiHitsu fans know this.

I suppose that's why I feel a bit weird about things like Gin/Hitsu or Aizen/Hitsu. Most of them turn Hitsugaya into that weepy-uke shota boy you're talking about (probably because most of them involve rape scenes). IchiHitsu's different from that; I think that Hitsugaya has huge potential in the pairing to be the one who knows which of Ichigo's buttons to push, be Ichigo's equal (instead of being the weepy-uke shota boy), and be able to be the canonical strong and icy little captain that we all know and love.

Just had to clear that up. xD

[http://users.livejournal.com/_debbiechan_/]

Just to complicate things XD and because I really want to know, what do you see in IchiHitsu? I confess I've never read anything about the pairing, but I see Hitsugaya as being the paternal figure and Ichigo as being... well, himself. Now you've got me interested in the pair bc you r observations about HitsuMatsu and HitsuHina made sense to me.

I should've clarifed that I'm interested in fanfic couplings (I don't like the term "cracky"--a good author can make any unusual pairing work). But since there's actually been interaction and interesting interaction at that btwn Hitsu and Ichigo, I'm wondering what the subtext is. I'd like to hear your take.

[silverharmony.livejournal.com]

Haha love your icon!! It’s so true. xD

Technically speaking, I agree with you, I see Hitsugaya as the ‘paternal’ one and Ichigo as being himself, too. Dunno, I just like the dynamics of the-younger-looking-one-who-is-far-more-mature and the older-looking-one-who-is-still-growing-up. And I suppose it’s not really subtext as much as it is the potential; after all, they haven’t had as many canon interactions as I’d have liked, and if I went from subtext, I’d probably be an IchiRuki shipper, instead. But one of the things I noticed in practically every canon interaction they had is that no matter how cold and proud Hitsugaya is, Ichigo is always so warm towards him (a fair bit more than he would be towards, for example, Byakuya), and especially the fact that Hitsugaya’s always so damn resistant about it = just begging for a story to be written about them; about icy Hitsugaya slowly and eventually surrendering to that kind of warmth, even if in his own way. That’s a kind of ‘Fire and Ice’ element, I suppose, and that kind of thing always heightens the dynamics in any pairing, and makes a fanfiction more juicy.

Of course, there’s always Matsumoto or Hinamori, but like I explained before, shoving either of them into a romantic relationship with Hitsugaya just cheapens the valuable relationship they currently have with him in canon. And yes, I suppose there’s always the ever-cheerful Ukitake, although there’s much more of a present fatherliness to Ukitake’s attitude towards Hitsugaya that I like more. So I can’t help loving Ichigo best for this especially considering he hadn’t previously existed in Hitsugaya’s life, but helped change it once he did exist – Hitsugaya didn’t know anything about him until he came to Soul Society to save it and change its fate (and it was great that in the SS arc, Hitsugaya was the only one fighting the real bad guys, right? Okay sorry, I’m going off-track), as a foreign hero coming out of the blue; and that additionally, Hitsugaya didn’t actually know or meet him until he personally saved him from Baishin. Call me cheesy, but the romance (I’m not talking about romance between couples, but a principled, philosophical romance) was already enough to make me squee in recognition of what potential these two have in fanfiction. Some kind of forging connection, even a deep friendship, would be a wonderful read; romance (yes, I’m talking about the romance between couples this time) would be a bonus.

And I love some of the aforementioned dynamics that this pairing has, too. This might go back to both the ‘Fire and Ice’ concept and the anti-weepy-uke shota boy concept. As I’d posted before, really, height gives no indication of power, and attacks made against IchiHitsu on this basis is kind of unfair since it’s not like I can help that my OTP in Bleach involves a height difference (which really isn’t that much of a difference, if you look at them standing next to each other). I like my IchiHitsu!Hitsugaya to be as proud, frosty and mature as he is in canon, and my IchiHitsu!Ichigo to be equally canonically compassionate and warm. I’m guessing that if Hitsugaya physically battled Ichigo, Ichigo would probably win, but Hitsugaya is characteristically (i.e. not physically) a little stronger. So technically there is no way in hell that IchiHitsu, however fanon/uncanon it may be, would provide any room for a realistic weepy-uke shota Hitsugaya, because this is a pairing where both parties have very visible strengths – physical strengths, character strengths, pride, and compassion – and that just adds to its appeal.

Okay, I think that is as much as my dying brain can spout out this early morning. xD I’m sorry if there are any parts that are incoherent, I’m a bit brain-fried and not thinking straight. In any case, I’m glad to hear I’ve drawn your attention on this pairing. It’s a pairing that strangely has quite a number of people interested in it, but not enough of them actually writing fics about it.

[aviss.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm one of the few that ship Hitsugaya with Aizen, and I use the term ship very loosely, while they are my OTP I realize the strangeness of it and know the cannon chances of it are less than zero. The thing is when it comes to fanfiction, who cares about cannon pairing. I have the manga for that (if KT ever deigns to make a really cannon pairing)

Apart from that I would have to say that I'm more on the Hitsugaya/Matsumoto side than the Hinamori one. Why? Their interactions speak to me about equeals with a great deal of respect for each other and a strong bond of friendship, and that is what a relationship is about in my book. He has the same bond with Hinamori, but I see it more as a sibling like protection and companioship thing.

That said Hitsugaya's character kind of prevents me from seeing him in a passionate relationship with anyone. He might love and trust and be with someone, but I can't see him mooning over that person or being all lovey-dovey or weepy or even uke-ish. That is the problem I find when it comes to fanfic about him with anyone, people tend to forget that he might look about 12, but he is not. According to SS he could be closer to his century and that is what needs to be shown in his character.

[grass-angel.livejournal.com]

Well, that's one way to stir up the fandom.

I feel like being slightly childish and agreeing on shadowsinfire and her exclamtion of ShiroChiru. Or possibly even Hitsugaya and Soi Fong but- I usually go with HitsuMatsu when it concerns things like this. There's definitely something that may or may not occur in the future and i personally think that Hinamori has too much personal baggage to have any further serious romantic relationship with Hitsugaya.

Not that I think there would be much serious romantic relationship stuff going on in Hitsugaya's future anyway. Sex seems to be mentioned casually in Bleach but less so the actual actions. Especially in Soul Society. (I know this may be because of the way shonen manga are presented, but I also think that if it were presented any other way it would stay more or less the same.)

So, Hinamori's stuck with a what may have been situation. If she hadn't been mindfucked by Aizen, if she hadn't had a breakdown and is now psychotic, she may have been able to have a reasonably long lasting relationship with him. She might have even had something like a relationship only a few decades ago with him. But right now, I think it hurts Hitsugaya too much to see her.
Angsty HistuHina is fun to read though, provided it's good.

On the other hand, we have Matsumoto, who is currently going through a 'smile and it might go away' attitude.
I ship GinRan over HitsuMatsu. That doesn't mean I think if it came down to it, she would choose Gin over her captain. (I think he'd actually be a double crosser and go back to her. I really need to write that little idea) That would be because of her morals though, not attachment. Attachement... that's another if nothing had turned out the way it has, she would end up with Gin. Highly likely in my mind.
But now... not sure, even though I do favour Hitsugaya over anyone else like Shuuhei or Renji or Iba or Kenpachi. I don't think she pays enough attention to them honestly. Hitsugaya's pretty much got it all.
I like tender fluffy HitsuMatsu fics over the more... adult ones, but it's also nice to see him being treated as a mature adult.

Conclusively (not really), I believe that HitsuMatsu has a higher chance of at least having a stable some-sort-of-relationship (even if it is just a elder sister-younger brother thing) rather than HitsuHina.


On a side note, referencing Asian dragon stages if Hyourinmaru is classified as a snake-like dragon, then roughing up certain estimates, it would place Hyourinmaru at 500 years old. Which may or may not correlate to Hitsugaya's age.
But still, the point is Hyourinmaru isn't fully mature, despite the fact Hitsugaya is 50+ years old. It still needs four legs.
The point of this was to demonstrate, slightly, that Hitsugaya still has a lot of psychical power to gain. I'm not sure if it worked and I have no idea if it has any impact on emotional maturity.

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And er... as far as yaoi pairings go? I haven't seen any subtext or fics that appeal to me so far. Please ignore the fact I fancied a Hitsugaya and his gigai fic and a GinRanHitsu threesome.
Although I do know of a very cracky one that makes me giggle stupidly.

Two cents.

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I'm glad I'm not the only Hitsu-Chiru shipper here.

I love most of the characters in bleach. And the fact that some of their relationships are of friendliness and filial love just makes them more interesting. I love the brother-sister relationship between Hinamori and Hitsugaya. I have always taken Hitu's protectiveness of Momo as brotherly love. His rage when he saw what Aizen had done to Momo's psyche made me feel the same: it was the rage of a brother when his sister has been raped (she's been mind-raped, but raped nonetheless, and that's not taking into account that Aizen actually spared her most of his worse doings). I love the fact that Hitsugaya acts like an older brother to Momo. Yes, he's older, and stronger too. Momo is sweet-tempered as can be, and has many times stated she hates to fight. She's older and takes care of Toshiro as her younger brother, but point is Shiro is the strongest of the two. I agree with those who say that putting sex and romantic love into this pairing is actually demeaning its worth. The beautiful thing about bleach is that there are lots of characters and not all relationships are sex-driven. Hitsu/Hina would be spoiled for me if it was mixed with romance. Besides, Hinamori would be spoiled for me if she forgot Aizen before one century, or death.

Hitsu/Matsu would do, at least for me, for a short affair. Those two are mature enough to have a go at sex and be still friends afterwards. However, I like them as a friendly and colleagues couple too much to want them together romantically. Besides, they wouldn't last more than a brief tryst. Hitsu is exasperated by Matsumoto's drinking and skipping off paperwork. They are good as they are, and maybe for some hot fun when Toshiro grows up and Matsumoto is bored (and trying to forget Gin). But so far, they are good as friends.

My favourite option is Toshiro-Yachiru. They both are very powerful (Yachiru is bound to grow more powerful stll), and their personalities complement each other perfectly. They both are caring and loving towards their friends, (Shiro to Momo and Rangiku, Yachiru to Kenpachi). They are loyal and good-hearted. But where Toshirou is serious and circumspect, Yachiru is upbeat, happy-go-lucky and all smiles. They would make a GREAT couple. Great as in happy-ever-after potential.

Besides, I WANT to see Toshiro carrying Yachiru "home" after a date, and facing the wrath of all the division, while Kenpachi Zaraki chases him throughout all Seireitei, screaming: "

Two cents.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad I'm not the only Hitsu-Chiru shipper here.

I love most of the characters in bleach. And the fact that some of their relationships are of friendliness and filial love just makes them more interesting. I love the brother-sister relationship between Hinamori and Hitsugaya. I have always taken Hitu's protectiveness of Momo as brotherly love. His rage when he saw what Aizen had done to Momo's psyche made me feel the same: it was the rage of a brother when his sister has been raped (she's been mind-raped, but raped nonetheless, and that's not taking into account that Aizen actually spared her most of his worse doings). I love the fact that Hitsugaya acts like an older brother to Momo. Yes, I know he's younger, but he's playing the older brother here, since he's the stronger too. Momo is sweet-tempered as can be (when Aizen's death is not related, of course), and has many times stated she hates to fight. She's older and takes care of Toshiro as her younger brother, but point is Shiro is the strongest of the two. I agree with those who say that putting sex and romantic love into this pairing is actually demeaning its worth. The beautiful thing about bleach is that there are lots of characters and not all relationships are sex-driven. Hitsu/Hina would be spoiled for me if it was mixed with romance. Besides, Hinamori would be spoiled for me if she forgot Aizen before one century, or death.

Hitsu/Matsu would do, at least for me, for a short affair. Those two are mature enough to have a go at sex and be still friends afterwards. However, I like them as a friendly and colleagues couple too much to want them together romantically. Besides, they wouldn't last more than a brief tryst. Hitsu is exasperated by Matsumoto's drinking and skipping off paperwork. They are good as they are, and maybe for some hot fun when Toshiro grows up and Matsumoto is bored (and trying to forget Gin). But so far, they are good as friends.

My favourite option is Toshiro-Yachiru. They both are very powerful (Yachiru is bound to grow more powerful still), they both are young and have to grow, and their personalities complement each other's perfectly. They both are caring and loving towards their friends, (Shiro to Momo and Rangiku, Yachiru to Kenpachi). They are loyal and good-hearted. But where Toshirou is serious and circumspect, Yachiru is upbeat, happy-go-lucky and all smiles. They would make a GREAT couple. Great as in happy-ever-after potential.

Besides, I WANT to see Toshiro carrying Yachiru "home" after a date, and facing the wrath of all the division, while Kenpachi Zaraki chases him throughout all Seireitei, screaming: "DO YOU THINK THIS IS A PROPER TIME TO BRING 'CHIRU HOME, YOU PUNK??!"

I not only want to see Shiro-Chiru together... I want to see Kenpachi playing the protective father. It would be charming, upbeat and hilarious, all at the same time.

My two cents. Maybe this comment got there twice, please erase one if that's the case.