Thus, the initial translation was accurate enough if we put it into context -- "While reacting to Ichigo's feelings felt about Rukia" Orihime's heart etc. etc. -- but always remember that this is contextually about Orihime's feelings. Orihime thinks that Ichigo is in love with Rukia, and so it hurts her, and it would hurt her even more to see Ichigo die, and so Ishida wishes for Ichigo to win the battle, because he doesn't want Inoue to be hurt any further.
Yes. That's Talmud paragraph one. That's one context, and a very obvious one. But I'm talking about this with other people who speak Japanese and Ishida's feelings themselves are highlighted in this text. What is your take on the ephemeral, disturbing and/or powerful connotation of his feelings?
It's embarrassing to admit how much this matters to me because this has ALWAYS been one of my favorite Ishida scenes and to some extent, my idealized version of love--when you don't demand anything of the person you care for or wish to protect, when you only desire that person's happiness. Ishida's expression of that for Orihime here (if we're going to assume he cares for her--I do) is a few notches above Orihime's for Ichigo in terms of "enlightenment." From what we've seen of Orihime's love, she wants to be with Ichigo--she wants him to notice her--she wants to be worthy of him--and all these sanskaras/desires are causing her grief.
I'm wondering if there's going to be grief on Ishida's end at all--or if he's just going to be the "I'll save Inoue-san no matter what" sort of shounen hero in this HM arc that Ichigo was in SS. It seems that convention would have it that way.... the only person suffering in this story from love seems to be Inoue.
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Thus, the initial translation was accurate enough if we put it into context -- "While reacting to Ichigo's feelings felt about Rukia" Orihime's heart etc. etc. -- but always remember that this is contextually about Orihime's feelings. Orihime thinks that Ichigo is in love with Rukia, and so it hurts her, and it would hurt her even more to see Ichigo die, and so Ishida wishes for Ichigo to win the battle, because he doesn't want Inoue to be hurt any further.
Yes. That's Talmud paragraph one. That's one context, and a very obvious one. But I'm talking about this with other people who speak Japanese and Ishida's feelings themselves are highlighted in this text. What is your take on the ephemeral, disturbing and/or powerful connotation of his feelings?
It's embarrassing to admit how much this matters to me because this has ALWAYS been one of my favorite Ishida scenes and to some extent, my idealized version of love--when you don't demand anything of the person you care for or wish to protect, when you only desire that person's happiness. Ishida's expression of that for Orihime here (if we're going to assume he cares for her--I do) is a few notches above Orihime's for Ichigo in terms of "enlightenment." From what we've seen of Orihime's love, she wants to be with Ichigo--she wants him to notice her--she wants to be worthy of him--and all these sanskaras/desires are causing her grief.
I'm wondering if there's going to be grief on Ishida's end at all--or if he's just going to be the "I'll save Inoue-san no matter what" sort of shounen hero in this HM arc that Ichigo was in SS. It seems that convention would have it that way.... the only person suffering in this story from love seems to be Inoue.