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MzD provided the scans and most of the translations here. For more see the BA thread about Volume 42

The doodles are hilarious. MzD thinks there should be a sexual violence warning for the last two images.





Scans and translations provided by MzD. She writes: I'll explain what I can. The last two may be a bit disturbing for some...just a warning. Going to double spoiler that part.

359: Kon in Ichigo's body has been spotted by the research division. He's trying to play dead so they'll leave him alone.



360: Kon is willing them to go away in his head. They're still staring at him, a bit too close.



361: Now they're really too close, lol eyeball. "What is that?"



362: Now another person has stepped forward. Kon notices it's a lady with a sweet voice.



363: Wow, this lady can rival Rangiku. The most important part is her sparkling cleavange. Truly Kubo is a boob man. (MzD's comments in italics)




364: Kon is taking notice, it's a new cleavage that Kon hasn't embraced. He's forgetting all about his faking death and attempts to jump her.



These next two are not for people with a sensitive constitution.
365 BOOB PWN!! WTF!!



366: It's a claw that's come from her boobs! Again WTF? Kubo has explained it all in Kanji, anyone wants to take a guess, all I can get is Kon's "Uggh!"




Poem translation by Toto:

Shock of the Queen

There is no world without sacrifice
Are you unaware?
We are
In a sea of blood, ashes floating in hell
Crying the name of
A fading world.


Again with the name resonance like in FTB. Kubo's emphasis on names reminds me of my own culture. In my Jewish mystical tradition, there's the idea that naming something creates it or gives it identity--that's why one respects the very word G-d and doesn't write it out because any naming of the subject would belittle that which defies definition. I know Bleach isn't Kabbalah or whatever but I like the poetic care that Kubo-sensei gives to his character's names, even ret-conning Rukia's name to mean "a ray of light" to Ichigo long after he'd come up with it and years of volumes had been written. And how giving a name (as to the twins in the movie) allowed them to pass on as distinct identities after Death. And how calling a name means you cherish that name's holder ( Morita-kun's "Rukiaaaaaarghhhhhhh!") In this poem, all I come away with is that loving the world is what makes it real and keeps it alive. One has to wonder why Hollow let themselves exist. Their very searching to ease their pains, whether those pains are Starrk's loneliness or any one of the sins of the Lust arc unsatiatied--starved gluttony, unreleased rage, beaten down pride--this searching for relief IS their life. And that makes Hollow just like us right? We live in part to just fulfill our desires and ease our pains.

We live for higher things too, though, and that's what separates us from the heartless. But I so love Kubo's Arrancar, each of his Espada with their pretentious assignations and aspects of Death, and all the care Kubo-sensei put into making us love these bad guys who, at the very beginning of the manga, were just monsters in the night.

Date: 2009-12-06 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] figaro-figaro.livejournal.com
Two things hit me when I saw the doodles.
1. 'Whoa, Byakuya with boobs!'
2. I now ship Akon x Kon. Hard.

Date: 2009-12-06 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlemeantiger.livejournal.com
Does anyone know who the Boob-fu master woman is? Or is she new to the cast?

Date: 2009-12-07 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rezhomina.livejournal.com
I agree with both points of this comment. Very hard.
(oh yes Akon, your time to shine is near at hand)

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Date: 2009-12-06 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nehalenia.livejournal.com
I think that might be the most beautiful poem that Kubo has done yet. It gave me chills! God, I think I fangirl him for his poetic skills as much as his art.

And those sketches!!! Hahahahahahaaa! Poor Ichigo! If his body remembers anything at all, no wonder he's scared of boobs! He can sure go Ishida one better now.

Date: 2009-12-06 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spartydragon.livejournal.com
Fffffffff Shun-boob now has a new element - Boob-fu! XD

Date: 2009-12-06 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] masakochan.livejournal.com
*snorts* I love that panel where it looks like Kon has found the 'shangrila' of boobs.

Date: 2009-12-06 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlemeantiger.livejournal.com
Ahahaha! That's hilarious!

Boobclaw-fu? Damn, Orihime should take classes of this!

*remembers 'Hime's future self*

OH SHI-

Date: 2009-12-06 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nooziewoozie.livejournal.com
Um, quite off topic, but I'm in love with your icon--Men in Tights FTW!

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Date: 2009-12-06 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlemeantiger.livejournal.com
The poem IS beautiful. Really, really beautiful. Kubo is a full-time poet.

However, to whom is the poem directed to? Tia? Rukia? Any woman of Bleach? Who is it?

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Date: 2009-12-06 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iluxe-love.livejournal.com
WOW, what a BEAUTIFUL poem!
I wish I could write like Kubo.

So does the "we" in the poem refer to the Espada/Arrancar/Hollow/Everybody?

Also, LOL. Those last drawings are kinda disturbing. It's funny how Kubo can draw something like that and then write a poem so serious and austere in its beauty like the volume poem.

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Date: 2009-12-06 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hinodeh.livejournal.com
I wouldn't mind if someone recited this poem at my funeral.

Is that the definitive translation for it? I saw at least three different version of it on BA, so I'm wondering now which one is the most accurate.

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Date: 2009-12-06 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] conquistadora.livejournal.com
Hali's poem is so depressing... but I'm not surprised. It's beautiful at the same, though. ;-;

LOL at that chest punch, poor Kon XD

Your poetry insight is silly! D:<

Date: 2009-12-06 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlemeantiger.livejournal.com
Taking the poem from a Hollow's point of view, the poem becomes quite ferocious rather than beautiful. I'll assume that it's revolving around Tia, as sacrifice is her theme after all. (LOL Kubo.)

There is no world without sacrifice
Are you unaware?
We are
In a sea of blood, ashes floating in hell

The cannibalism that the Hollows go through to survive (both with plus and minus souls) may reflect the harsh rule of nature of the survival of the fittest that we 'developed' humans have long forgotten that exists, because in our fabricated world, we are super predators that can kill and eat anything, so we automatically assume that we don't count in the circle anymore. And yet, whether we are aware of it or not, all of this still happens in the background, and we are indeed still are part of it all, whether we like it or not. Between the 'civilised' world and the 'brutal' one, there isn't that much difference. Kubo uses a thin reflection between the Espada and the Shinigami cast is quite often. Compare Szayel with Mayuri. Both are at opposite end, but what's the difference between them? That they are at opposite end? Really, is that it? Might as well they join forces and experiment on their respective test subjects for their required research. Which would not beneficial for the experiments of course.

Considering the sea of blood, is HM worse than Hell? For in Hell, you are there because of your own actions. But in HM? You were just a soul led astray. Do you deserve to be there, to eat others or to be eaten by others? To be actually aware of those actions, and to cling on to that awareness, or else you'll lose it forever? It doesn't sound like so. And yet, judging by the little Hollow experiences we got, it doesn't take that much to become a 'monster of the night', so to speak. So fairness and virtue do not count in HM after all. Maybe that makes it a place worse than Hell itself. In hell, you're merely ashes. In purgatory on the other hand, you're your own worst nightmare.

Crying the name of
A fading world

The last two verses are the weirdest part. The world of anything may be a society, a person, or a person's ideals. Does this mean that Hollows have thoughts, feelings, dreams? Are they not so different than we are? Why do they cling to this idea of a fading, collapsing world? Why do they even try? Who is the monster and who is calling for help? Can a monster call for help?

Can we even let them do that? Do we? Or a monster is just a monster in our eyes? Who cares if it dies or is in pain, it's just another brick in the wall after all. Moving on, moving on.

----

I wish to read an accurate interpretation of this poem. It's so... open for interpretation isn't it? Very inspiring work.

Re: Your poetry insight is silly! D:<

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Date: 2009-12-07 12:20 am (UTC)
cyanglow: tgcf screencap (kon)
From: [personal profile] cyanglow
Oh Kon, how I've missed you! LOLOLOLOLOL wow, boob-fists. XD

Date: 2009-12-07 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peca-06.livejournal.com
That is such a beautiful poem T___T. So true too, specially the sacrifice part. Kubo always touches my heart in one way or another and that is one of the reasons why I love him and admire his work so much.

On the other hand the doodles are XDDDDDD. It reminds me of my doodles when I was in High School. I was always into crude, crazy and outrageous humorous situations. I love that stuff XD. I guess one of your wishes for Christmas is already coming true lol MOAR BOOBS, unless you meant more MAN boobs :P. Kubo's doodles are always crazy fun ^_^.

Date: 2009-12-07 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manonlechat.livejournal.com
Toto posted a very interesting translation note (http://bleachasylum.com/showpost.php?p=1937597&postcount=89) at BA:

I should point out that although the popular translation of Harribel's aspect is "sacrifice," gisei more commonly refers to victimization. That's kind of an abstract term, because one can be a victim of many things--sort of making Harribel's ideology confusing. But this poem makes it more apparent.

Harribel's poem essentially is saying that sacrifice is an essential part of existence; of the world. Living is our hell, our ashes floating in a sea of blood and fighting against inevitable demise. Calling out in hope for the rest of our lives, wanting for them last without any chance of it really happening. We are victims of living, we are victims of death.


I am mad Harribel didn't get her flashback.

Date: 2009-12-07 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] la-kalaka.livejournal.com
Interesting indeed I like this interpretation :D

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Date: 2009-12-07 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] la-kalaka.livejournal.com
Shock of the Queen

There is no world without sacrifice
Are you unaware?
We are
In a sea of blood, ashes floating in hell
Crying the name of
A fading world.




Maybe this hasn't anything to do with the poem but that last line I've marked makes me think about Ulquiorra's end while he was turning into ashes from his POV he saw Orihime fading and all the world around him.

Did hollows die like this? seeing their world fading in front of their eyes, trying to cling to their own identity, to a reason about their existence?

D:<

Date: 2009-12-07 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I too had a little Ulquiorra flashback when I read the last two sentances due to the ashes, but it disappeared as fast as it came. After all, the poem is about Tia, not Ulqui. And it's impossible for Tia to know of Ulqui's fate and go emo about it in her poem, so pointless theory is pointless. Besides, the ashes here seemed to be more towards the symbolisim of end rather than the beginning, like the ashes theme when compared to Adam rather than the ashes of a phoenix.

Besides...

Ashes...

Hell...

Is Ulqui in Hell? Right after gaining a heart?



That's totally me punching Kubo. In da face.

Date: 2009-12-07 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lennan.livejournal.com
I got something completely different when I translated it:

"A world without victims does not exist.
Have you not paid heed?
We,
In the sea of blood,
Call out, for example, "the world" in
The name of hell where ashes float."

For one thing I think that people are mistranslating "kareni" with the "kareru", which is to wither:

Kari ni: 仮に 【かりに】 (adv) temporarily; provisionally; for example; for argument's sake;

Kareru: 枯れる 【かれる】 (v1,vi) to wither (plant); to be blasted; to die

The line: "hai wo ukabeta jigoku no na" is hard because I really have a hard time translating sentences that are modifying nouns, literally this is "ashes float hell's name", which I guess is best as "hell where ashes float". Originally, I put "hell with floating ashes". I also rearranged the sentence so that it's reading as the original, which would look like this:

"A world without victims and so forth//does not exist
Are you paying attention?
We [topic marker]
In the sea of blood//ash float hell's name
for example, "the world"
calling out."

I think though, I may have taking some liberties in word placement for this poem because I'm unsure of where "in the sea of blood" is supposed to be placed or what, if anything, it's modifying. But that's what I'm getting from it. *shrugs*

The poem made me think about just how terrible it is to be a hollow.

Date: 2009-12-07 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lennan.livejournal.com
I'm not entirely satisfied at how this all came out though and if anyone else has input, they're more than welcome to make it.

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Date: 2009-12-07 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] conquistadora.livejournal.com
I've always wondered if the sand of Hueco Mundo is in fact all the particles of the dead and slain hollows that have walked before... now that I read this poem again, it's sort of fitting that Ulquiorra's body wouldn't just disappear, but break apart and become ash that fills the desert. Alright, I'm gonna go cry now...

Date: 2009-12-07 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
*cries with you*

COME BACK BAT-BOY! WE MISS YOU! ;;

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Date: 2009-12-08 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xilvrin.livejournal.com
Actually, knowing something's name and having power over it seems to be quite common in anime/manga. Ever see Spirited Away? The dragon and other souls are searching for their lost names, only able to be free once they remember them. I've seen quite a few supernatural animes where the way to defeat a demon was to learn its name. And then of course, are all those named-attacks in fighting animes.

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Date: 2009-12-09 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] georg-vanlunden.livejournal.com
... You know, to me it looks less like the strange lady is smacking Kon with boobs as much as she is splitting her own chest open and a freaky claw-thing lives within her chest, holding Kon down.

And regarding the poem, it reads to me like Harribel (or the omniscient narrator, whoever it is) is saying that life is sacrifice and hardship: they strive through a hell of blood and ashes, trying desperately to see or cry out for a world that is better than this one while killing and devouring all who stand in our way. We create more misery and victims as we sink ever deeper and deeper, even while we at the same time try (in vain, she seems to believe)to find a world that's better than the hell we live in.

Oh Harribel. And then she went and got herself shanked by Aizen. No nice new world for you!

Date: 2009-12-23 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suirenshinju.livejournal.com
Sexy boobclaw's name appears to me Tohae

Date: 2010-05-30 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arihdni.livejournal.com
I thought that it was Aizen genderbend

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